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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.02.28 12:17:00 -
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I would define it as a POS fix, not a nerf.
Indeed the cost of fueling a tower if you buy the fuel has DOUBLED (do the math yourself) if one buys the fuel off the market.
And yes even lots of Null Alliance Towers have come down.
BUT, there are WAY too many POS's out there anyway, most barely even used.
This is working as intended I believe.
Besides, I'm making a freaking fortune from the new fuel blocks, so win for me ! 
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.02.28 18:47:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
I would like to see ice refining changed a bit though since the liquid ozone and heavy water you get from refining high sec ice is more out of balance than before.
Yup. Welcome to the New Bottleneck: Liquid Ozone.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:46:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:
pretty much this. Not to mention that you get twice the HW from (hisec) ice than LO.
Of course the Nullbears (Lowbear-ing is impossible I assume) have it all sealed up as usual with access to Glare Crust and Dark Glitter. 
Ice Batch Type Isotopes Liquid Ozone Heavy Water Strontium
White Glaze 1 Nitrogen 300 25 50 1
Pristine White Glaze 1 Nitrogen 350 40 75 1
Glacial Mass 1 Hydrogen 300 25 50 1
Smooth Glacial Mass 1 Hydrogen 350 40 75 1
Blue Ice 1 Oxygen 300 25 50 1
Thick Blue Ice 1 Oxygen 350 40 75 1
Clear Icicle 1 Helium 300 25 50 1
Enriched Clear Icicle 1 Helium 350 40 75 1
Glare Crust 1 - 0 500 1,000 25
Dark Glitter 1 - 0 1,000 500 50
Gelidus 1 - 0 500 250 75
Krystallos 1 - 0 250 100 100
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.02.28 21:03:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:you might wanna re-check where you can get the good ice. for example, check out Osvetur sometime.
My point being Low Sec (Osvetur) is much much more dangerous than Null Alliance protected territory....if you are in the Alliance that is. Ice Mining in Low is the same as bending over in prison and handing out sand-infused KY.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
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Posted - 2012.02.28 21:17:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
My point being Low Sec (Osvetur) is much much more dangerous than Null Alliance protected territory....if you are in the Alliance that is. Ice Mining in Low is the same as bending over in prison and handing out sand-infused KY.
depends really ... Osvetur isn't exactly a hub of scum and villainy ... but yeah, it'll take more work than hisec (terribad yield) or nullsec (deep blue space)
Yup. Also, looking at the numbers, if one does the D-scan and run scenario in Low Sec for about an hour, that would yield quite a bit of L-Ozone.
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God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.02.28 21:49:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
It should be the other way around, twice as much LO as HW.
Yeah. Made a promise to put back some LO for when the real Bottleneck hits on the Markets......but it's just impossible to save any at all as it gets used, of course.
It's a case of make money now off Fuel Blocks....or possibly make even more money later with LO. Choices, choices....
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God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.02.29 11:59:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote: ... and the eventual automatic disintegration of all those deserted towers and modules that litter space.
Yup, for me it's all about THIS.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.02.29 12:39:00 -
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Alyssa SaintCroix wrote:
Not too keen on the idea of stealing them. I was thinking more like, flagging towers for a two or four week duration allowing the corp or whomever to pull it down or put it back online. After the grace period expires, YAMMER YAMMER YAMMER YAMMER....................................
WAY too nice on these guys.
Now, off with you to take down ALL your unused Towers. Sheesh.........................
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
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Posted - 2012.02.29 14:38:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Alyssa SaintCroix wrote:
Not too keen on the idea of stealing them. I was thinking more like, flagging towers for a two or four week duration allowing the corp or whomever to pull it down or put it back online. After the grace period expires, YAMMER YAMMER YAMMER YAMMER....................................
WAY too nice on these guys. Now, off with you to take down ALL your unused Towers. Sheesh......................... I'd probably allow a grace period after fuel runs out, before [stuff] happens. Just not a long one. maybe a week or two. as long as the set of stuff includes "other players can steal the tower and/or modules without having to resort to wardecs/diplomacy" (i.e. they can steal it)
I'm WANTING the 5 True Sansha Larges sitting here idle, offline, in my home system...........
There are at least 15 others idle. More than are onlined in system tbh. Guess who owns most idles ? That's right. Goons.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:59:00 -
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Jastra wrote:Surely an abandoned tower with no shields ought to be salvageable with a salvager. At least this would make it a viable in game profession as well as clearing the VAST number of moons with dead POS's on them (Juujatsi or something, I checked and about 30% of the large number of moons had an unshielded POS- so good iskies for a salvager!!
That Tower must be a wreck first. Good Luck.
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God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
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Posted - 2012.03.01 15:24:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:
Small pos fuel costs went up just the same.
How can anyone say it went down?
Yuppers.
And no 'saving fuel' anymore by offlining Mods and Arrays, etc. Uses MAX FUEL 24/7
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God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2012.03.02 20:43:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:
Small pos fuel costs went up just the same.
How can anyone say it went down?
Yuppers. And no 'saving fuel' anymore by offlining Mods and Arrays, etc. Uses MAX FUEL 24/7 A small tower used to burn 33% as much fuel as a large tower. They now burn 25% of the fuel that a large tower uses. Combine that with the slight changes to volumes of fuel components per 40 block run with what a large tower, even with only 50% PG/CPU use the over all fuel cost is lower. Maybe not in isk as with the PI changes many of the fuel materials cost more. but ignoring the price increase of PI products which would have raised POS fuel costs without the fuel block conversion. The over all fuel consumption is less. Even considering the fuel savings from offlining modules. unless you off lined everything in which case why use a large tower. Small towers got this benefit plus the benefit of reducing fuel requirements from 33% of a large tower down to 25% which makes them way cheaper to run now. Heavy Water is extremely cheap and Liquid Ozone consumption was so low on a small tower that the fuel savings from offlining modules was minimal as they could not support many modules.
I'm too lazy and tired to crunch numbers, but I do know I'm using a heck of a lot more fuel in the same Medium Tower (not small) than I ever have. And I've always 'generated' my own fuel.
Not really that important. It's just a "Welcome to EVE Online" Thing for me at this point. 
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
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Posted - 2012.03.05 11:19:00 -
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TravisWB wrote:This game is being run by those that dwell in null and what happens in Empire is intentionally being nerfed to the detriment of those of us that intend to never go to null and only rarely visit lowsec. The entry point of the game is getting harder, less rewarding and less interesting. Good moves CCP. 
Yeah. NullBears can get a Storyline reward of a 875,000,000 Mining Forman Mindlink.....and they say "INCURSIONS PAY TOO MUCH".
And who was the Forum Idiot claiming you could make 120,000,000 an hour Lvl IV Missioning yesterday in GD ? Sheesh...................
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
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